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    07 December 2009

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    Louise

    You mean that when our three year old spent afternoons lining up his Thomas the Tank Engines and all his Lion King figurines, we should have rushed him off for testing? We just assumed that he was playing, and that his penchant for order was just one of a child's idiosyncracies.

    What a burden for you! It must be so difficult for the parents of children determined to be autistic - even neurotypical behaviors or ordinary growth changes become part of the disorder spectrum. How can you tell autistic "red flag" behaviors apart from natural development or personal traits?

    It sounds so encouraging that you've got a system to help Charlie deal with not getting the things exactly as he envisions them. (We have the same problem, with varying degrees of reaction, especially when Jake has his stomach settled on a trip to White Castle.) That "speaking calmly and changing the subject" approach sounds just about right, although he will probably get wise to it. But the reassuring thing about feeding demanding teenage boys is that they will get so hungry that they stop being adamant and just eat. Charlie doesn't appear to have any eating issues, so you don't have to worry about him going on a hunger strike if he doesn't get what he wants.

    Aristotle said that order, symmetry, and limitation are the greatest forms of the beautiful, and Charlie obviously understands that. Is he attracted to any of the physical arts?

    Alice

    I'm so glad I found this blog! I'd been wondering how you and Charlie were doing. Glad to hear that the change in schools is working out.

    Regina

    I can't speak for anyone else, but this is is how I see it and our experience- YMMV. It's not the order (chaos is hardly desirable, and I kiss my daughter's feet in appreciation for her desire for neatness and always being able to find her stuff), it when it's an obsession and restrictive.

    At this time it's no longer an issue - we don't have to go to the same places the same way or have things be just so, but there was a time when it seemed so. Besides realizing that ahead of time and trying to stay "chill" in the situation,for the routines we used a visual cue and let her participate in arranging them. I went to the opposite tack of intentionally rewarding not being just so, and in creating "Magical Mystery Tours" with intermediate payoffs (some good listening music in the car) and a big kahuna at the end. This all took some time. It may not work for everyone, but it helped us.

    As far as messing with a kid's toys - I've seen my fair share of regular kids lose it on that one. One thing that bugged in programming was when folks used to have my daughter build something or put something together and then deconstruct the whole thing in a swoop before he eyes because it was "all done". She found it alarming (and made that known), and so did I,for that matter. I asked them to please do the construction on plywood or cardboard and then the whole shebang could be moved elsewhere for admiration without dismantling. I noticed that when my daughter was good and ready that she would tend to tinker or take it apart herself.

    Just some thoughts.

    I hope you had a lovely visit with your aunt, and I am so glad that school is going better so far.
    Warm regards.

    Jill

    Clara Park wrote about her daughter's "arrangements" in her book "Exiting Nirvana." Her arrangements were made parallel to the floorboards, too.
    Park's autistic daughter paints astonishingly beautiful artwork that is in many prestigious collections. She has a unique feel for color and shape.
    In terms of lining objects up parallel to the floorboards, I'm reminded of an old folk custom of placing beds in line with the floorboards in order to promote happiness in the home. It's a sort of New World feng shui.

    Bill

    So so scary...
    I just realized that much of the best stuff from the Clash is more than 30 years old! I'm trying to 'sell' my one son more radical music to listen to, if I tried to get him to listen to 'London Calling' he'd laugh it off as mild, reggae influenced pop!

    Interesting too how intricate OCD is in so many autistic lives, yet it is really only strikes me as a flag and not something primary. I'm trying to think how central it is to autism and whether other issues would clear themselves if the 'burden of order' were alleviated. How that is acheived is wholly another issue...

    autismvox

    @Louise, Charlie has shown on and off interest to mosaics, materials he can touch, but nothing sustained. He has art class now, so maybe someday he'll take to the arts more. I would say that what was a big concern about Charlie lining things up, now and then, was his response when we tried to "break" his orderings, and when we tried to get him to do something else with the toys---it was often a quite noticeable response.

    @Jill, I'm very fond of Jessy Park's work---looking at her patterns of shape and colors has suggested some things regarding Charlie.

    @Alice, lovely to hear from you! thank you ---

    @Regina, it's the restrictiveness that worries us. often it's only when we feel enmeshed in a particular "routine" that we realize it is a routine, and that Charlie seems desperately to need it, or think he does. I think I am going to start the "Magical Mystery Tours" ... went on a partial one tonight that ended up with a burrito. Charlie would have said "no" if we had asked him, and asked for the same foods over and over.

    The burrito was devoured very fast, and down to the last piece of rice.

    Louise

    My bad - when I wrote parents of children "determined to be autistic," I meant "detremined by educational and health officials', not that the KIDS are determined to be....

    Sorry, my bad for not editing fully.

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